GLBTQ
July 23, 2008 at 10:56 am Fortune Cell 118 comments
Gender identity, sexual orientation, gender politics, etc.
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1.
oxlin | July 23, 2008 at 1:05 pm
yay! thanks, Julia.
This is my coming out to my parents story, I posted it on the MB random thread.
Mom: *fiddling around with something on computer*
Dad: *in other room*
Me: mom, I’m bi
Mom: oh. okay. Do you like someone?
Me: if I were straight would you ask that?
Dad: *walks into room*
Me: Dad, I’m bi.
Dad: oh. I sort of thought that at the beginning
Me (thinking): the beginning of what? when I was born?
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ebeth who is too lazy to sign in | July 23, 2008 at 1:43 pm
i’m personally straight, but i have a good amount of gay/bi/lesbian friends.
and i obviously have nothing against transvestites, or i would’ve imploded both times i went to rocky horror XD
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Vixen in the Eyes of the Moon | July 24, 2008 at 1:09 pm
1- Oh, you are brave. I could never do that. My mother wouldn’t mind actually, my step-dad’s too high to care, but for the rest of the family…. *shudders*
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Lizzie | July 24, 2008 at 3:14 pm
I’m really not sure who I’m attracted to. Sometimes I’m not even sure what gender I am.
I’m in a great mood today, aren’t I?
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ZVX | July 24, 2008 at 5:32 pm
-3 Vixen! I’m surprised at you, posting on here.
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Fortune Cell | July 24, 2008 at 6:07 pm
2- Ebeth, don’t lie to yourself. We all know you’re all hot ‘n bothered for the FMB ladies.
3- That’s why we have friends, because we can’t choose our family
5- ZVX, this is a subject that can be very touchy or hard for some people, please try to be respectful. Vixen said she’s scared to talk to her family about her sexuality, she doesn’t need to feel threatened here, too.
when people ask me if I’m gay I just say “not really”, and no one seems to pursue it more than that.
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Pan | July 24, 2008 at 6:30 pm
1 (oxlin): Did your mother ever answer your question? Did your dad ever elaborate? I don’t think I would ever be able to do that, just in fear that it would be incredibly awkward. I can’t stand awkward situations, and have no idea how to deal with them. I think it would be slightly better if someone asked you, like in Em’s story. It would still be awkward, but at least you didn’t have to initiate the conversation.
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Fortune Cell | July 24, 2008 at 6:42 pm
My mom has asked me a couple times.
Actually, quite a few people have.
Like, a lot.
Not as often as I’m asked if I’m on drugs, though…
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Vendaval | July 24, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Heh, I’ve been asked quite a few times too.
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Ultimate Supreme Executive Chairman Grant O.-rndorff | July 24, 2008 at 8:34 pm
I’m straight, but my second cousin (I think that’s the relation) is gay and I have gay/bi friends. Lovely people.
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oxlin (e~a) | July 24, 2008 at 10:03 pm
7- I think she said something along the lines of ‘I guess not.’ Dad had asked my brother if I was gay then if I was bi shortly after I’d told my brother I was bi then said if he (my brother now called Orange) knew he didn’t have to tell. So that could be what he meant.
3- hugs. I knew my family would be supportive, though. It is a bit less awkward after a while as you get used to it. Eventually I just got annoyed and told people whenever I could.
Glossary:
Orange: My brother, all around awesome individual
Teal: Girl I like. Good friend of mine and Green’s.
Green: girl I liked for a bit and sort of still do. A really close friend of mine.
All other people are currently irrelevant.
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dark duke of darkness | July 25, 2008 at 5:57 am
Just wondering, but doesnt the Q in GLBTQ stand for questioning?
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Fortune Cell | July 25, 2008 at 7:26 am
12- I’ve heard it both ways, now that you mention it. I’ll edit the title to reflect this.
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ebeth who is too lazy to sign in | July 25, 2008 at 8:17 am
6-ah well, see the FMB ladies are obviously an exception.
That includes you, glass-boy
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Pan | July 25, 2008 at 10:25 am
11 (oxlin): Your dad asked your brother? Why not just ask you?
12/13: There are so many different acronyms and terms to acronym, it’s hard to include everything. Some people just use the four-letter GLBT/LGBT/etc., but there are longer ones, like LGBTPQA to include pansexual and asexual/allied, and there are probably dozens more.
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Beavo | July 25, 2008 at 12:52 pm
I think the longest one I’ve ever seen was FABGLITTER. I usually just use LGBT.
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penguini | July 25, 2008 at 1:01 pm
4- totally.
One of my friends is gay. She came out to her mother, who nearly kicked her out. She (the girl) is now in therapy and on drugs for her ‘disease’. The drugs make her very very loopy.
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oxlin (e~a) | July 25, 2008 at 3:24 pm
17- oh dear. hugs to you and your friend!
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dark duke of darkness | July 26, 2008 at 7:12 am
17-I want to say fun to the loopy drugs, but somehow that doesnt seem right. IT seems kind of ridiculous to think that things like that could “cure” a sexual orientation. It doesnt even make sense. . .
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Pan | July 27, 2008 at 3:10 pm
17- That’s horrible! What kind of drugs would you use for that, I wonder? I hope they’re not prescription, because I don’t think any doctor would prescribe them. I hope not, anyway. *hugs*
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penguini | July 27, 2008 at 4:41 pm
I don’t know what drugs they are or who prescribed them. But they make her more crazy that she already is.
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Vixen in the Eyes of the Moon | August 1, 2008 at 11:18 am
5- *raises eyebrows* Yeah, well, most people are surprised when they find out that I’m a punker.
Anyway….
I AM AN IDIOT!!!
So, I’ve been at summer camp for a week, and I got so sick of the other girls that I dragged my sleeping bag outside and lay their. And then two girls followed me, which was annoying, and then a boy followed, and I got rather annoyed. i mean, I wanted to be by myself Anyway, after the two girls got squeamish about the dark and left, one thing led to another and I ended up kissing with the boy. Who is fourteen!!
Fourteen!! What the hell am I, a whore?
Which is hypocritical, because after I crushed this one guy, I flirted with another for the rest of the week, who was also fourteen. *rolls eyes*. But at least he was into punk and stuff.
But then last night, we had the closing party, and me and this guy I liked dressed up. So I washed and brushed his hair and put mousse and spray in it, so that it looked wet and tangly, put black eyeliner, red lipstick, black lip liner, and powder in his face, and ta-da! A young marolyn manson!
But it was very nice, because we were able to talk while I fixed him up.
But I really don’t know why I did it since he has a girlfriend, and I would never, ever, go out with someone almost two years younge than myself. And I go to boarding school in eight days.
But how many guys will let a girl wash his hair after he failed miserably at setting a mohawk?? After he knows that I’m bi? AND THEN HE THINKS IT’S NICE TO BE BI?
I am evil. Towards myself. And others.
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Fortune Cell | August 1, 2008 at 2:26 pm
22- So…you kissed a boy who’s younger than you?
This…is not whorish.
As for putting make-up on boys, I think it’s somewhere most of us have been. Maybe not always Marilyn Manson look-alikes, though.
Why are you evil?
I don’t think it’s a big deal that he thinks it’s nice to be bi.
Elaborate?
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Pan | August 1, 2008 at 2:51 pm
22- I don’t think two years is bad, at all. It seems like a longer time when you’re still in school, but two years really isn’t that much.
What’s wrong with him thinking it’s nice to be bi?
I think I’m a bit confused…
But I’m sure you’re not evil.
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Beavo | August 1, 2008 at 2:53 pm
22-I think being bi is awesome, most of my close friends are/think they are and I might be/probably am. You have a bigger selection of who you can date (girls+gay/bi guys for me).
And eyeliner on guys is awesome. I put some on for the play in April, and people said I looked pretty good in it, so I decided I’d wear it whenever I wanted. Mom got mad, and threw it out without telling me, so I got a petition and 86 girls signed it saying that I should be able to wear eyeliner whenever I want. Mom was like “fuck that” and threw it out, but it was worth a try, right?
I’m sneaking out to my GIRLFRIEND‘s house on Haloween and she’s going to do my makeup because I’m being Chris Crocker. Or Kelly. Either way, she’s doing my makeup.
Okay, that had nothing to do with GBLTQ except that lots of the stupid jock types called me gay for months afterward, but they do that anyway. It wasn’t a big deal.
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penguini | August 1, 2008 at 3:23 pm
22- what’s wrong with bi? Like half of my friends are bi/gay and proud of it. You’re not evil. *hugs*
25- haha, nice. *lends eyeliner*
I wear less makeup than some of the guys I know. One of the weirdest conversations I was in with H(girl and I think bi) and J(male, straight) talking about which eyeliner he should get. In retrospect, its pretty damn funny.
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Beavo | August 1, 2008 at 3:49 pm
26-My GIRLFRIEND
lets me borrowlendsforces her eyeliner into my hand when I arrive at her house. She’s also the one who introduced me to hair-straightening.About wearing less makeup then the guys you know, I would probably be one of those guys. I’m not suprised most of my school thinks I’m gay (ignoring the fact that I have a girlfriend). It used to bother me, but gay guys are awesome so I don’t care that much anymore.
And if I’m bi, I’d care even less, so yeah.
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oxlin (e~a) | August 1, 2008 at 6:27 pm
I know a guy who routinely wears eyeliner. He looks great in it. He’s a really awesome person and really good at writing.
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Pan | August 2, 2008 at 5:52 am
11 (oxlin)- Isn’t Orange Teal’s sister? Maybe you just switched colors. Hmm. *confusement* Oh, well. How is it going with Teal?
I go to a creative and performing arts school and we’re known to all of the other schools in the district as the “gay school.” None of us really mind, though, because we understand that they only think that because everyone at the school is really artsy and different, and, though we do have a large gay population, since our school is small to begin with, all of the other schools probably have more.
Guys can look really good in eyeliner, and there are a few at my school who wear it all the time. I don’t wear any makeup, so I know many guys who wear more than me. I go to such an openly creative school, so people can express themselves any way they want and everyone is accepting and doesn’t say anything/care about how other people look. People walk around with tails, strange makeup, face paint, and all sorts of other apparel and everyone accepts it. I don’t have any experience going to a school that isn’t like this, but I really wouldn’t want to.
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ebeth who is too lazy to sign in | August 2, 2008 at 7:28 am
22-there are actually a lot of guys that are weirdly attracted to girls that like girls
and you are not a whore, and not weird, and makeup on guys can be drop-dead if it’s done right (ie, if the boys don’t try to do it themselves, in most cases)
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Vixeninthe Eyes of the Moon | August 2, 2008 at 10:54 am
I am evil. How many hearts have I broken? How many boys have I malicously teased? And quite honestly, the younger boys scare me,because I don’t know where they are at, if you know what I mean… And i’m a virgn, which is aparently unusual at my age. Which i personally think is young. And I can be very whorish at times. I drop people like coals. Extremely quickly.
I think it’s good that he thinks that bi is nice, the problem is, he is the only one who thinks that it is good. Denmark is a fucked up country. Every one is so anti-vegan and homophobic. And they don’t like punk. At all.
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Beavo | August 2, 2008 at 12:54 pm
29-Watch me stalk you and come to your school just to see if such a thing is possible now. My school is SO homophobic and intolerant to anybody who dosn’t listen to Top 40. It’s so stupid.
I just found out about a couple of preps at my school who’re “boycotting” Katy Perry because she put out a song about being a “lesbian whore”. I think I might kill them.
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Fortune Cell | August 2, 2008 at 12:56 pm
31- Dude, you’re not whorish if you haven’t slept around.
You probably haven’t broken as many hearts as you think, you know.
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Vixen in the Eyes of the Moon | August 3, 2008 at 1:26 am
33-I have broken my fair share, and scared one girl I had a crush on so much that she skipped school for days at a time in order to avoid me. I thought it amusing.
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kricket | August 3, 2008 at 11:28 am
29- I want to go to your school.
My school is very homophobic, and would most likely be described as a prep school. There’s only like 2 openly gay students that I know of in my school. And they’re actually really cool; the one’s this AMAZING artist. And then of course I have two friends that are straight but act like lesbian lovers towards each other. It’s hilarious. To me at least. A lot of people judge them for how crazy-ish they are and such, but it’s really just annoying. There’s really nothing wrong with being gay/bi or anything, and I hate it when people in my school (especially the idiot peoples in my grade…) make fun of the people that are gay/bi. My one friend in camp up in Michigan (performing arts camp) was bi, and she was so scared about telling us that she was bi because she thought that we’d make fun of her or something. I really don’t know why she thought that; it probably is just an effect of a previous experience. Oh, and my school’s only diversity would probably be the group of Mexican immigrants/exchange students that hang out and walk around through the hallways speaking in spanish. They’re not bad or anything; I just wish I knew what they were saying.
Okay. Now I’m going to go get something to eat ’cause I haven’t really eaten since breakfast and it’s around 2:30.
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kricket | August 3, 2008 at 11:29 am
erm, I don’t know why that one parenthesis (sp?) turned into a smiley. It’s not supposed to. heh.
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oxlin (e~a) | August 3, 2008 at 12:43 pm
29- Okay. Did I make [Teal's sister's name] Orange? Well, now she’s not.
Teal- Girl I like, good friend of mine
Orange- my brother
Green – Girl I used to like, may or may not still like, really close friend of mine, good friend of Teal and Purple
Purple- Good friend of mine, Teal’s twin sister.
Clear? And I’ll remember that [my brother's name] is Orange and [Teal's sister's name] is Purple.
Also…. Green’s back!
At my school (my high school but now I’m all done and graduated!) some people are homophobic and some aren’t. most aren’t though they do stupid things without thinking like use gay as a synonym for stupid.
My college is really GBLTQ friendly. I’ve not actually beent here yet though. Well, I’ve visited but I’ve not taken classes or such there yet.
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ebeth who is too lazy to sign in | August 3, 2008 at 1:16 pm
my school has a lot of idiots that call things “gay” when they mean “stupid”
but when actually presented with somebody gay (my school has many, although few are attractive, greatly saddening my friend dan), they will be totally fine with it and not the least bit homophobic.
it’s just one of those “people-don’t-think” things i guess. our GSA really doesn’t have much to do (which is basically the only reason i’m not in it…)
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penguini | August 3, 2008 at 2:24 pm
29- I want to go to your school.
30- quite. At my school, it is more common for girls to think two guys making out sexy.
32- kill them
38- we have that problem too… There were(still are?) also a couple of extremely homophobic people there who took down and tore up Allies’ signs. The Allies people do all/most of their signs by hand and many of them are beautiful. The Allies people are also extremely cool. The homophobes invoked the wrath of the Allies people. Nobody got hurt, which was good.
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Pan | August 3, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Beavo (32): I will. And yes, it’s possible. I’m sure you’ll be able to find which school I go to because it’s the only creative and performing arts school in Pittsburgh and all surrounding areas and one of only a dozen in the country. *hides from stalkers*
kricket (35): That’s horrible! I wonder what one would do in that sort of a situation.
oxlin (37): Yay! (about Green being back)
ebeth (38): Yeah, our school doesn’t have a GSA (we have three clubs: Model UN (which I founded last year), NHS, and Amnesty International), but the SAGDA at the library is almost 100% people from my school.
I just got back to my house after a few weeks out of town, and one of the Newsweeks that came during my absence is about Lawrence King, and it looks very interesting. *skips off to read*
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Beavo | August 3, 2008 at 2:46 pm
38-Me and my GIRLFRIEND can get quite pissed off when someone says “that’s so gay”. We were at a cancer walk with one of her friends, and he was always saying that something was gay, and we’d both be laughing and then turn stony faced at the same time and say something in unison like “gay is not an adjective”. It was actually kinda funny, but he got freaked out.
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Fortune Cell | August 3, 2008 at 8:16 pm
41- Beavo, dear, it IS an adjective. It’s not an adjective that’s a synonym for stupid, but it is an adjective.
Quite possibly, the person was staring at you because he thought you were both incredibly dumb at the moment.
34- You’re full of yourself. It’s not attractive and it won’t make you friends here.
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oxlin (e~a) | August 4, 2008 at 11:21 am
38- yes, that’s true, most people at my school are not super homophobic. It really bothers me (more than when people use gay when they mean stupid) when people use the word I tend to refer to as ‘the other f word’ especially if they call their friends it supposedly joking. Argh!
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ebeth who is too lazy to sign in | August 4, 2008 at 12:54 pm
43-hold on…i’m probably being incredibly dense, but what word?
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ebeth who is too lazy to sign in | August 4, 2008 at 12:54 pm
oh god, i was being incredibly dense
got it
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Fortune Cell | August 4, 2008 at 1:56 pm
45- Ebeth, we don’t keep you around for your brain *wink wink nudge nudge*
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Beavo | August 4, 2008 at 2:34 pm
42-I know it’s an adjective, we would say something after it. Like “gay is not an adjective for lame”. Or stupid. Or something like that. He was staring because we looked incredibly stupid, but you should have seen his face.
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kinky | August 4, 2008 at 7:57 pm
I thought I was the only one who was bothered by that!!! Seriously. We have like a million words for lame/dumb/shitty ect. and the best people can come up with is gay?
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Vixen in the Eyes of the Moon | August 5, 2008 at 12:50 am
48- Well, apparently, people aren’t as intellegent as we could hope. And their vocabulary isn’t astounding. So, yes, that is the best some people can do.
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Pan | August 6, 2008 at 9:44 am
There are some people at my school who have shirts with a list on them something along the lines of: “That’s so gay! That’s so male! That’s so Jewish! That’s so handicapped! That’s so Asian! That’s so white! That’s so left-handed!” And the caption is: “When you put it into perspective…does it really make sense?”
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kinky | August 6, 2008 at 2:26 pm
50 – I want one!
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penguini | August 7, 2008 at 7:25 am
50/51- Me too!
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Beavo | August 7, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Me three! That shirt looks awesome.
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Pan | August 9, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Pan has had much GBLTQ-related drama in the past twenty-four hours, and she doesn’t like it one bit.
So, yesterday my mom was telling me about some sort of marriage-drama she’s having. I’m actually not sure how the conversation began, but she was telling me that she is payed to boss people around (teacher), and Dad is payed to argue with people (lawyer), so when they get home all they want to do is boss and argue. So then, she said: “Just keep that in mind when you’re searching for a husband.”
Me: I don’t think I’ll be looking for a husband.
Mom: Well then, keep it in mind when a husband is looking for you.
Me: I don’t think a husband will be looking for me.
Mom: Will you be looking for a wife? (or something along those lines)
Me: Yeah, probably.
Mom: Really?
Me: *feels incredibly awkward, wishing I were a turtle and could crawl into a shell*
Mom: When did you decide this?
Me: I don’t know…
Mom: So, you’ve decided you want to be a lesbian?
Me: Yeah/maybe/something like that
Mom: Really?
Me: Well, this is an awkward conversation.
Mom: Really?????
Me: Why do you keep asking me that?
Mom: Well, I don’t know if you were just saying it to make the conversation funny/to mess with me. But I’m perfectly fine if you decide you want to be a lesbian.
Me: (thinking) What? You decide you want to be a lesbian? Don’t you just figure out what you are?
Mom: I’m just letting you know. But really??? I mean, I know you haven’t been into boys or anything, but I just assumed that was because there were no boys you knew that were, well, [date-able, I don't remember what word she used]. So, really?
Me: *awkwardly* I don’t know…
Mom: Well, I guess this means no discussions about not getting pregnant. Well, until you get out the turkey baster.
Me: *blank, awkward stare*
Mom: Well, you know, that’s how lesbians do it. Get pregnant. You know, instead of a penis, they use a turkey baster.
Me: *getting up* IIIIIIIII”m going to read a book now. *leaves room*
So, that was incredibly awkward, and I really wish I hadn’t said anything. Well, I guess I had to say it sometime, but I really didn’t expect her to be so surprised. She has a lot of gay (men) friends, and she’s always boasting about her gaydar, so I thought the possibility of me being gay, or bi, or anything except straight would have at least crossed her mind. So when she was so surprised, I got really panicked, almost.
And then, I was practicing driving around the cemetery today (I’ve driven a total of about 2 hours, and every time I see another car I freak out, and she practically had to force me into the driver’s seat, but when she finally did…) and she asked me: “So, are you really a lesbian, or were you just saying that?”
Me: Why would I just say that?
Mom: I don’t know, maybe to see my reaction. So, are you and Blank and Blank (two of my really good friends, who are straight) all lesbians together?
Me: What?? No…
I really don’t remember how the rest of the conversation went, but she asked me if I liked anyone/how I knew, and I asked her how she knew she was straight. This was a very unenjoyable and awkward conversation, and I told her I wasn’t enjoying it one bit.
Mom: Well, I’m just curious. Don’t I have a right to be curious?
Again, I don’t remember what happened after that, but then she asked me how I “decided” I wanted to be a lesbian.
Me: You know, you don’t really decide you want to, you just kind of figure it out.
Mom: Well, I know, but most women have a big experience, and go through a lot of things before they decide these things. And you haven’t really had any of those experiences.
And she asked me if I liked anyone and I told her no — which is the truth, because I don’t currently like anyone. And she kept asking me “well then, how do you know?”, because apparently my answers weren’t good enough. I asked her why it was so hard to believe and she said, “Well, I don’t know, I just didn’t think you liked anyone like that. I thought you were a….nothing-ian.”
And in a way she’s right, how can I be sure? I can’t, but I’m pretty sure I’m gay…I could be bi — I’ve never liked a guy and can’t see myself liking a guy, but I won’t rule it out. I’ve had crushes on real girls, as well as book-character-girls (Is that weird? I don’t know…), but I really have no interest in discussing that with my mother.
I decided earlier this summer that I wanted to be out, but I just couldn’t do it. So when she started talking about husbands yesterday, I just thought I should take the opportunity. Now I wish I didn’t, because I don’t feel like confronting my dad nor anyone else about it (I haven’t told anyone before), but I told her, and I have no idea if she’ll tell Dad/other people about it.
So, yeah. Sorry about the incredibly long and confusing post filled with patchy conversations, but I’m a bit stressed right now.
*sigh*
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Pan | August 9, 2008 at 1:11 pm
No idea why there’s a smiley in the middle of the post, I was just closing parentheses…
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kricket | August 10, 2008 at 3:04 pm
50- I want a shirt like that.
54- *hugs* I’m sure your mom will start to understand about the fact that you don’t really “decide” to be a lesbian, you just figure it out. I’m pretty sure that you don’t really need a huge experience or anything to figure out what you are… eh, but I’m just thinking out loud here.
55- Yeah, that happened with my post the other time as well. Quite odd, really.
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oxlin (e~a) | August 10, 2008 at 10:39 pm
54- congratulations, and major hugs. more when it isn’t so laaateee.
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oxlin (e~a) | August 11, 2008 at 10:26 am
54- the more when it isn’t so late comes now. Take your time. I know the feeling of wanting to be out but not doing it in actuality. It seems, even if she’s a bit confused about it, your mother is supportive (or trying to be) and that is a good thing. Don’t rush yourself though, if you feel ready tell someone but don’t feel that you /have/ to immediately. Good luck! *hugs*
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FrigidSymphony | August 11, 2008 at 11:03 am
I’m heterosexual, bu I’m extremely open to almost any type of sexual escapade, except for coprophagical ones. I define myself a Libertine (that will only make sense if you’ve read the Marquis De Sade), and am always looking for new sexual experiences, trying to find the ultimate hedon.
Oh, and even though I’m straight, I find transexuals attractive. I consider them aesthetically completely femminine, they’re just sexually different. And since I’m open to backdoor involvement, I’m fine with that.
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kinky | August 11, 2008 at 11:19 am
54 – At least your mom is okay with it. I mean, I’m straight, but if I was a lesbian and tried to tell my mom……well, she wouldn’t hate me or anything, but she would probably see it as a problem that needed to be fixed. And it’s not weird to have crushes on book characters. I’ve done that. *coughMr.Darcycough*
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penguini | August 11, 2008 at 4:04 pm
54- *hugs and choklit*
I don’t really know what I am…I can see myself going out with a boy…not so much a girl. It could happen, not saying it won’t…
Crushes on book characters? Been there.
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Mel | August 12, 2008 at 10:44 am
50- That. Is. Awesome. Want.
54- -epic level hugs- She’ll come ’round, I hope… it’s been said before here, but, yeah, you don’t really ‘decide’ these things. Sigh. It’s great that she’s not trying to exorcise demons or something of the like; you seem to be from a pretty open-minded family/area. Good luck.
Am I the only one who gets annoyed that everyone’s presumed to be heterosexual? I mean, to a certain extent, it makes sense (blahblah species needs to reproduce to survive blahblah), but you’d think that, in light of today’s society, such assumptions wouldn’t be made.
I think it’s been said here before, but I’m bisexual and a number of scientifically reliable sources have proven that absolutely everyone is attracted to me ;D
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Beavo | August 12, 2008 at 12:57 pm
62-Only one? Hell no. You’ve got me, my besties, my girlfriend, and probably most people on here.
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Pan | August 12, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Thanks, everyone! *hugs*
I knew she would be fine with it, and I think my dad will, too, I just didn’t expect her to be so surprised and ask so many questions. It kind of seems like she thinks I’m a three-year-old who thinks it’s fun, and that I’m not really serious. I haven’t talked to her about it since the cemetery conversation, though.
62- Yes, I know what you mean. Everyone is straight….until they’re not. Unfortunately, I don’t think that mindset will be changing anytime soon.
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oxlin (e~a) | August 12, 2008 at 7:47 pm
62- oh yes, that bothers me too.
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FrigidSymphony | August 13, 2008 at 2:49 pm
62: Probably because the majority of human beings are actually heterosexual. It’s an evolution thing, don’t worry about it.
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Mel | August 16, 2008 at 2:41 pm
64- Ugh, hate when people get patronizing and don’t take serious things seriously. My mother treats her father like a toddler whenever he gets hospitalized. It annoys me, muchly.
66- “I mean, to a certain extent, it makes sense (blahblah species needs to reproduce to survive blahblah)”
Yes, I acknowledged that and was trying not to insult the intelligence of everyone present by presenting it as such.
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FrigidSymphony | August 17, 2008 at 10:49 am
67: It makes sense more than to just a certain extent. In fact, darwinianly speaking, bisexual or homosexual people are anomalies. From a naturalistic viewpoint, however, it is completely normal and is part of our biological heritage as much as men forgetting to lift the toilet seat.
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ebeth who is too lazy to sign in | August 18, 2008 at 8:39 am
54-*major hugs* sorry they’re late, i wasn’t on much. and yeah i never really understand why people are surprised. personally to me it’s kind of like “oh he’s gay. oh he likes strawberry better than vanilla” it’s about the same shock level.
but i guess that’s how it is for the rest of my family too. like mom was teasing me about estelle texting me over vacation and i was like “it’s ok he’s gay” and she was just like “oh, never mind” it’s just not an issue.
anyway, that only mildly relates…congrats and good luck coming out and hopefully people will understand more than your mom did
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tetracontakaidigon | September 1, 2008 at 8:03 pm
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=bisexual-species
This belongs on this thread, I think. Interesting article.
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Vixen in the Eyes of the Moon | September 1, 2008 at 11:19 pm
70- Very interesting. Very sweet, too. Or is that ”sweetness” the Neil Young album that I’m playing spilling over?
I told my friend (who’s a girl) that I’m bi, and she got all happy and said I was very lucky. I told my ex that I’m bi and he got all shocked. I don’t knowwhy. It’s pretty obvious (if you ask me.)
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Pan | September 2, 2008 at 2:42 pm
70- That’s awesome! Have you read the children’s book based on those penguins, And Tango Makes Three? I think it was the most widely banned book this year. Such a sweet book, though.
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Fortune Cell | September 29, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Yaaaaay signed up for GSA again.
how are GSAs at y’all’s schools?
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tetracontakaidigon | September 29, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Allies seems cool… the one meeting I went to… it conflicts with fencing and math team.
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Pan | September 30, 2008 at 5:23 am
No GSA at my school. But the main library in Pittsburgh has a SAGDA club, and almost everyone in it is from my school.
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ebeth who is too lazy to sign in | September 30, 2008 at 6:58 am
we have a GSA, but they don’t do much. mostly just recruit new members. there’s really not a lot to do, my school has a lot of tolerance. there are still dumbasses who call everything they don’t like “gay,” but most of them are fine with the actual gay people in the school. they just don’t think about what they’re saying.
i would go, but it seems a little pointless honestly.
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Potato Chip (Kelly) | September 30, 2008 at 7:07 am
I really want to go to Allies, but I can’t for the same reasons Annie said…
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Mel | September 30, 2008 at 11:14 am
Pretty awesome, we went on a field trip! To Six Flags! At night! Full of LGBTQIA people!
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dark duke of darkness | September 30, 2008 at 7:08 pm
We have. . .two, and i am unsure of what the difference is. They’re quite unnecessary, really. Homophobia is very frowned upon at my school.
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Pan | October 12, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Yay Connecticut!
*dhd*
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Mel | November 5, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Prop 8 passed D:
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dark duke of darkness | November 5, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Indeed. Epic fail on the part of Californians.
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Pan | November 5, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Don’t they still have about 3 million absentee ballots to count? I suppose it won’t really matter anyway.
*epic sigh*
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Potato Chip (Kelly) | November 5, 2008 at 4:41 pm
81- I know…
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ebeth who is too lazy to sign in | November 5, 2008 at 7:41 pm
i saw that today, i was pissed >.<
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Vendaval | November 5, 2008 at 7:45 pm
…and Florida, and Arizona, and especially Arkansas have been /epic/ fails. But does this mean appeals will go higher? That could be good…
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Axa | November 5, 2008 at 9:19 pm
lawsuits are being filed by the ACLU and other groups (including a San Francisco city attorney)
quoth the internet: “The legal challenge maintains that Proposition 8 is invalid and takes away a “fundamental right” from “just one group — lesbian and gay Californians.” The petition argues that the state constitution cannot be amended if it violates other constitutional rights.”
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FrigidSymphony | November 6, 2008 at 9:13 am
Fucking homophobes. It’s all because of the goddamm christians. Quote BloodBath: “MOCK THE FUCKING CROSS!!”
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Lizzie | November 6, 2008 at 6:22 pm
88 – I would think it would be the ones who couldn’t get laid rather than the fucking ones..
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dark duke of darkness | November 6, 2008 at 8:26 pm
89-hurrrr.
The lawsuit will fail, its basically just a default lawsuit that would have happened no matter what. On the bright side, Obama+old folk on the supreme court=good.
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ebeth who is too lazy to sign in | November 7, 2008 at 4:40 pm
89-and just how many conservative christians do you know who get laid on a regular basis?
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Lizzie | November 7, 2008 at 8:41 pm
91 – quite a few, actually – I live in Texas.
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Fortune Cell | December 10, 2008 at 3:47 pm
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/c0cf508ff8/prop-8-the-musical-starring-jack-black-john-c-reilly-and-many-more-from-fod-team-jack-black-craig-robinson-john-c-reilly-and-rashida-jones
Prop 8 the Musical
watch.
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Pan | December 10, 2008 at 4:48 pm
93- That’s great!
Has anyone read the series of articles in Newsweek about gay marriage? There are some good ones. *finds online*
http://www.newsweek.com/id/172653
Also, Happy Human Rights Day!
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Kagcomix | December 21, 2008 at 6:05 pm
62- I suppose I have that assumption at the back of my head but I am also never suprised when I learn that someone is gay.
Well at least up here, in the frozen north, gay marriage is legal! I mean seriously, what is up with the USofA? I do not know.
I am more or less straight. I am romantically attract to males but I enjoy looking at females. In my opinion the female body is more beautiful than the male but I have no sexual longings (or whatever) for girls. I have friends who are GBL (or whatever fancy long acronym this has turned into). I have teachers who are GBL. Yay for life.
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Kagcomix | January 8, 2009 at 4:41 pm
hmm. Kagy seems to have a bit of a crush on a girl. She is quite honestly freaking perfect to look at. I don’t know. It’s not a huge crush it’s just sort of a “I totaly want to makeout with her” kind of crush.
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Beavo | May 9, 2009 at 8:39 pm
96-Know that feeling, so bad. Extremely attractive guys at malls should NOT wear ripped fishnets and not expect to be sexually assulted by me.
Along with a couple of friends, I’m starting a gay-straight alliance/LGBT support group at our school. It’s middle, so it’s not going to be that big but our school needs some support. Last year being LGBT was such a big deal and now going along with the whole “emo”* (yeah right) fad, EVERYONE’s bi… but whatever.
*I feel so typical, and I look really fake because I’m a vegetarian, bisexual, My Chemical Romance loving, Hot Topic shopping, Pagan-interested heavy eyeliner wearing eighth grader.
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FrigidSymphony | May 10, 2009 at 2:39 am
97: Hah. I eat your kind for breakfast.
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kinky | May 10, 2009 at 8:41 am
Pennsylvanians, perhaps you have heard about this. Other people, I’m interested to know what you think. There’s a college not far from me called Grove City. It is a Christian (and when I say Christian, I’m talking mandatory chapel attendance) college that is very very very VERY conservative. This male student was paying his way through school by performing in gay porn movies. He kept it a total secret with everyone at the school, but then his roommate found his stuff online. Long story short, the school refused to let him graduate. Here are my questions about this story.
1. The school claims his expulsion had nothing to do with his sexual orientation (he’s bi). Believable?
2. His friend found his work online. Grove City, you don’t just stumble across gay porn online without knowing what you’re doing. You’re going to expel the actor but totally ignore this little tattletale? (Not that I think colleges should involve themselves in any way in whatever their students choose to watch, but it seems a little inconsistent.)
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FrigidSymphony | May 10, 2009 at 8:59 am
99: Bullshit. The guy needed money, it’s as good a way as any. I want to strangle to faculty at that school.
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Vendaval | May 10, 2009 at 10:17 am
99- While I don’t agree with the school’s position on sexuality, or believe he should be punished, I have to respect the schools’ rights as an institution to graduate whomever it wants. If he signed up to go to this school and knew its nature, he also knew that his behavior would not be accepted.
1. What did they say he was expelled for?
2. That is very inconsistent.
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FrigidSymphony | May 10, 2009 at 11:57 am
No, by actually being a school in the first place, they’re assigning certain standards of integrity and intelligence. Such people should not be allowed to run schools if they’re going to behave this way.
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Vendaval | May 10, 2009 at 9:03 pm
They’ve got standards, just different from your own. Probably more comprehensive too, if they regulate sexuality as well as academics, etc. If one doesn’t like they way a (private) school is run, there are plenty of others.
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kinky | May 10, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Um, come to think of it, I don’t know they said directly what he was expelled for. I only read the newspaper article, not any kind of statement from the school, though the article quoted the school. He went there because they offered him the best scholarship. Despite what they would have you believe, college education is still far from democratic in this country. So I’m assuming that was the best school he could find that he could also afford. I have to say, it is actually a good school in terms of academics. Also, his parents were conservative Christians, so they might have pressured him into it.
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Ebeth | May 10, 2009 at 1:22 pm
That’s stupid. It was clearly meant to be kept outside of school – he didn’t even mention it. So school rules should have nothing to do with it.
also, i agree, what the hell was that kid doing looking for gay porn in the first place?
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FrigidSymphony | May 10, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Someone’s in denial XD
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kinky | May 10, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Yeah. My family was discussing this at dinner last night, and my aunt, who lives in Portland, was saying a similar thing happened at a college there. This girl was stripping to pay for college. She was a good student and a track star, and what she was doing was perfectly legal, but then she was found out by the school and kept from graduating. How was she found out, you ask? One of her advisers recognized her at a strip club.
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penguini | May 10, 2009 at 2:26 pm
99- My cousin and the guy she’s marrying in June went there. Apparently the guy (who’s pretty cool. idk his name) managed to skip church. Paid off the person who checks or something.
I think that because he wasn’t talking about it at school, it isn’t the school’s problem. (Not like it should be the school’s problem anyway)
106- ?! *outrage*
in fact, *general outrage at the school administrations*
97+98- I have a friend who not-exactly-stalks both your types. It’s really funny.
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kinky | May 10, 2009 at 4:22 pm
I think if you skip church you have to do a book report. I wish I was kidding.
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Mel | May 10, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Brilliant! Is ironic the proper word to use here?
Skip something useless, in which you will learn nothing (except maybe that you -really really- hate people), and your punishment’s reading something, and learning.
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kinky | May 10, 2009 at 10:20 pm
I guess you’re right, but book reports? In college? Really? I haven’t done a book report since 3rd grade. Plus they shouldn’t make church attendance into some kind of payment that you have to make up in other chores if you miss it. That’s just never a good idea.
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FrigidSymphony | May 10, 2009 at 11:19 pm
Just take it as a general rule that usually anything with the term “Christian” in its definition ain’t good.
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Beavo | May 11, 2009 at 4:53 pm
98-Which is why I won’t be going to any Kokonventions any time soon…
I came up with a cereal brand name that include typical fad-following angsty teenagers in them, but I forgot it.
99-That’s disgusting. I’d like to know their “offical” reason for his being expelled.
108-Stalks as in like copies, or stalks as in like follows around? I don’t really have a “type”, I just wear what I think I look good in and I like.
I watched “For the Bible Tells Me So” which is a documentery on what the Bible actually says about homosexuality… interesting.
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FrigidSymphony | May 11, 2009 at 11:06 pm
113: Why should that impede you from going to “kokonventions”? I’ll never be at any of them.
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Beavo | May 12, 2009 at 1:50 pm
That was a joke. I’ll probably not go to Kokonventions anyways. I’ll just rather not be eaten, that’s all.
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Groundhog | July 15, 2010 at 8:52 pm
107 – Hypocrites.
113 – Em-O’s?
113 again – I watched a similar documentary about religious homosexuals. Some very sad stories in that one.
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Kokonilly | July 16, 2010 at 11:32 am
106 – What Groundhog said.
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112 – Why? That’s responding to prejudice with prejudice. I’m sure not everything Christian is awful. You can’t condemn 33% of the world like that. (I just guessed on that number… but it seems right.
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Kokonilly | July 16, 2010 at 11:33 am
*I was responding to 107, not 106.